Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Nice Guys Finish Last

Nice guys finish last. You’ve heard it like a mantra and it’s a cliché because it’s true. Women constantly pass over nice men for jerks, who more often than not mistreat them, and then if the cliché holds true to form, the woman runs back to the nice guy and cries on his shoulder. Tells him he’s a wonderful friend. Meanwhile the poor nice guy is hit with a triple whammy of anger, hard on, and nausea.

My biggest wake up call to this effect happened to me long ago in my college days. My then best friend Andrew and I very obviously started feeling great interest in Julie. And she had some decent interest in both of us, and frankly probably quite enjoyed our attention to her. When boyfriends compete, girlfriends win! My friendship with Andrew was quite long and deep, and in a great moment of mutual respect, we agreed that if one of us dated her, it was going to mess up our friendship.

So like a week later Andrew and Julie are on their third date. The first one happened the very next day after we agreed not to go after her. I was somewhat angry, but at the same time I could see that I had basically been outplayed and had to give him credit. Because of the dates that had already happened, she was into him, and the moment of opportunity for me had passed. Though just as we thought, it did drive a bit of a wedge between me and my friend. About a year later she was crying to me on the phone as the relationship fell apart. Suffice to say, I didn’t offer much assistance in them getting back together. LOL my bad.

Fast forward a few more years, and I meet Jennifer my wife to be. I become unhinged. She’s actually dating someone else and he’s her steady boyfriend. I see her holding hands with him and I hate him. I refuse to even say his name in anything other than distain even now 18 years later. Primal reaction. Deal with it people.

Things are going a little less than perfectly between them, and I work that angle fairly firmly. I make it plain that I think he’s a jerk, he doesn’t seem to be good for her, and she’d be better off with a nice man. Which in retrospect is funny in that my words were “hey I’m the nice guy you should be with”, but my actions were actually pure jerk. She laps it up.

Anyway four days later they break up. And I’m right there. Funny that. Then we have five wonderful days together. Riding the rollercoaster at Knoebels I look across at her and I just gape at her. She looks back at me with her long blonde hair flying all over the place, and there’s this odd small smile. (Then we say goodbye and basically live in separate countries for three years, but that’s going to derail the post...)

The point is, if I had been nice, I would have never had married Jennifer. I would have just seen a pretty girl with a not so great boyfriend bugging her and done nothing of interest. Being nice is a very important aspect of your personality, having no nice in you just means you’re an asshole. Adding in a little of the jerk / Alpha Male trait is the key to building attraction though.

At some point in your courtship, you likely did something that was a little crazy, a little wild, something over the top that made your wife to be sit up and take notice of you. Maybe all it was happened to be fronting up to her, and making it plain being just friends with her wasn’t an option you where going to be able to live with.

Marriage can easily fall into a rut. When was the last time you made it plain being “just friends” still isn’t an option you can live with? That you want a passionate connection to her. Make sure she knows with her you have no half-way. If you don't do this to her at least once in a while, you leave the door open for someone else to do it to her. Emotional connections are serious things and sometimes not even your best friend can be trusted with the woman you love. Do not let the moment pass.

Just don't phrase it in the form of a question to her. Make a statement.

14 comments:

  1. Little sister says "tidy up the spelling in your 'about me' profile!" (apart from eww, gross)
    The specific word you need to fix is the first marital, which you have spelt martial, lol.
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  2. Interesting reading! I will carry on and read more posts! :P
    (Michelle G)
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  3. Fixed! Thanks Anonymous little sister. :-)

    Thanks Michelle :-)
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  4. Hey, nice blog!
    One thing I would say though, is that maybe it is not so much about "nice vs. jerk" but rather "weak vs. strong" attitude. What we call a nice guy is, many times, someone that avoids confrontation at all costs. And women apparently don't feel that's a good thing, specially from an evolutionary point of view. When you chose Jennifer you went confident and strong, but you didn't really break your principles (as your friend did by the way)
    I think that's why it worked. But that's just theory, life is always more complicated imo :)
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  5. I agree with you. I think "jerk" is the default word in use here. I make the point over and over that you have to bring both alpha and beta male skills to bear to sustain a long term relationship.
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  6. Very good posts on your blog! My opinion is that a lot of people, regardless of sex, is programmed to be nice. They are programmed to let people in front of them, which I believe also varies a lot between cultures and countries. I believe the reason they feel angry, nausea and all that shit is that they still listen to the rules that they are raised under and never really have challenged the belief system that were projected on to them when they still were under the influence of their parents.
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  7. That may well be true FMIF. I do think the costs of being nice are higher for men than women when it comes to sexually approaches though.
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  8. Hi Athol, found you at Hamby's blog. I really, really like this post. I'm a big proponent of LTR Game, and you seem to have that down. I look forward to reading more!
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  9. Knoebels. He he. I thought I picked up on some cultural similarity. Are you from that area originally, or was that just your college years?
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  10. I'm from New Zealand, my wife went to college in PA. We visited Knoebels when we first met.
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  11. On the topic of nice guys, I have an odd situation. I think I've always had a good balance overall of alpha and beta, dealt with the shit tests as appropriate etc. But that's my issue, I'm sick and tired of the shit tests. It's like I have a life-time limit that's been reached and my threshold of irritation is zero and so at least every other day or so when she comes up with another one it just really pisses me off! Ironically we've been married about 7 years now and have had a rough last couple of years which we are pulling out of now. So this could be mid-life crisis or 7-year itch or whatever but if it weren't for the kids I would have walked already! I could understand it if this was happening back during the couple years when we were totally stressed but that's over now and we've been working with a really good counselor and other than my strenuous objection to shit tests all seems well. (Like the blog by the way, have picked up a few good tips!) So what do you think? Just a delayed reaction to the stressful time?
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  12. Crap, was on an old article when posting that. Oh well, anybody reading it feel free to comment.
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  13. Email me Anon. What's the counseling issue about?
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