Tuesday, January 19, 2010

A Little More On Alpha and Beta Male Traits

Adding some refinement to an earlier post

Most discussion of Alpha and Beta Males see the relationship between them to be polar opposites. In other words, you are either an Alpha Male, or a Beta Male, with not much in between the two. Occasionally you get a reference to an Omega Male who is so terrible at everything that he falls below even the lowest of Betas. The ranking looks like this, and the stereotypical sex life is displayed as well.



However as I’ve said before, I see Alpha Male and Beta Male, as not simply a fixed status, but as a collection of traits. Having nothing but only one set of either traits, nets you the stereotypical “Alpha Male” or “Beta Male”. In truth most of us have some Alpha and some Beta in us, but it’s not a zero sum game.

The Alpha Traits are the more traditional and physically based traits. Size, strength, fitness, aggression, violence, dominance, beauty, health, confidence, fearlessness, daring, hand eye co-ordination, speed etc are all skills and abilities that are simply excellent for survival as a small tribal group on the ancient savannah. Display of these skills generates a seemingly hardwired sexual attraction response in women. On some level we are still approaching sex wired exactly the same as we were 10,000+ years ago.

The Beta Traits are the more modern and socially based traits. Size and strength matter less and less in the modern age. Skill with paperwork is the key to income in most fields. Violence is no longer a tool for social advancement, but results in becoming a social outcast or jailed. What matters in the modern age is the ability to keep calm, sociable, nice, patient, verbal, kind, clever, cuddly, soothing, diplomatic, kid friendly and emotionally available. It’s ideal for working in cubicles and service industries. This is what women need from a modern partner to establish a working relationship to create a home and have an income in order to raise children. Without this support, women become deeply uncomfortable and this can short circuit sexual desire.

As you can see, the Alpha Traits and the Beta Traits are worlds apart. But as I say, these are not opposite skill sets. What I suggest is the true format, is outlined in the image below.
 
 
 
The Omega Male is easiest to dispense with. He’s just devoid of positive qualities and only the most desperate of women would desire to mate with him. Even then he’ll likely need up being supported by her to some degree. Avoid him.
 
The pure Alpha Bad Boys certainly do pull the women, but the relationships tend to be short as eventually the women become uncomfortable with the lack of comfort building support. There’s plenty of excitement, and sizzling sex as the attraction is definitely there for her, but she knows from the beginning its not going to last, but she is drawn to him anyway.

The pure Beta Nice Guy also pull women, but they pull differently. They “make sense” on an intellectual level and they are very comfortable to live with. More than likely they are too comfortable, and the woman tends to want to see a display of dominance of some sort before she becomes fully attracted to him. Ultimately the nice guys are just too sexually boring to women to remain completely focused on one. Queue the “I love you, but I’m not in love with you speech”.

What is often seen in young women is ping ponging between bad boys and nice guys – she gets a dose of crazy sexual attraction from the bad boy, but then she needs the comfort building and she seeks it from a nice guy, and then the cycle repeats over and over until the music stops around age 35 and she’s scrambling to find a chair anywhere.

The ideal is the Gamma Male. Not often talked about, but they are out there. Usually a Gamma is an Alpha Male that “grew up” and toned down the antics slightly and started being socially conscious and more of a team player. Or they started as a Beta Male that “grew a pair” and started bumping back on the rest of the world rather than just taking it lying down. Either way works as a route. Like Jean-Luc Picard, Gammas use diplomacy but when required to they will respond with adept force. Mostly they are consciously aware of both their own natures, and the needs of women. They adjust on the fly to the situation, sometimes hard, sometimes soft.

Gamma’s are the true ideal, but I think the Alpha and Beta terms are so ingrained, that it is simply easier to broken record the idea that if you’re too Alpha the solution is to add Beta, and if you’re too Beta the solution is to add Alpha.

You already know what your weak area is. Work on that for easy gains.


Picard didn't get laid very much on the shows... but you telling me he couldn't if he wanted to?

18 comments:

  1. I love your advice Atholk, but Captain Picard is simply not the epitome of "maleness". I forgave you the bantha methaphor and the Princess Leia stuff, but Star Trek? Really? I thought this blog was about advice on how to get laid more by your wife. LIL
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  2. You're gonna hate the Captain and First Officer metaphor here then :-D
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  3. Thanks this makes alot of sense - Its funny how its so easy not to think of our hard wired responses when hitting on women, and of theirs. Advice taken, I'm off to "make it so"
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  4. This seems to be a different point of view on the "Omega Male." This is also the first time I've heard of the "Gamma Male."

    From what I've read, the Omega Male may be the weakest beta, but they're also the "Lone Alpha," meaning that they just don't give a crap about the whole Alpha/Beta thing, and they do their own thing without any bias toward the status quo.

    An Introverted example of an Omega would be the "total badass anti-hero". An Extroverted example would be the bar-hopping nomad that always has a story to tell, jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

    In other words, the Omega is an opportunist: they'll sneak off with the woman that competing Alphas are too busy fighting over. They do have the Alpha problem with long-term relationships as well as the Beta problem of keeping things exciting...
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  5. Vox Day recently came out with new taxonomy of male types with 7 categories. It is much more useful than the Alpha-Beta-Omega taxonomy used in the PUA community. Unfortunately, he also has a Gamma and it is not consistent with yours. Perhaps you could correspond with him, and work to create one over-arching taxonomy for people interested in the principles of game but who recognize that the PUA taxonomy is too simplistic.

    The post is entitled "Roissy and the limits of game" at the site Vox Popoli. I would paste the URL but this comment box is not allowing me to paste.
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  6. Yes I had read over that post, but ultimately I found it too complicated as a concept to try and implement. The beauty of the alpha/beta concepts is that it is immediately understandable, and can be put into practice quickly. I'm not overly interested in winning a philosophy battle, just helping regular husbands figure their wives out better.

    I believe my adjustment of seeing alpha and beta as two distinct trait groups and not mutually exclusive is enough of an advancement.

    Also in doing my research I adopted the gamma defintion of the literary community - most particularly that of the romance novel genre. I believe their insight to be valuable in what appeals to female sexuality. Billions and billions served I believe is their claim to power ;-)
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  7. @lastinline: well, that's sort of the point, right? Picard isn't the epitome of alpha maleness, maybe - but he is incredibly sexy. I'll admit I don't watch a lot of TV, but so far, that man is the most attractive guy I've ever seen on it.
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  8. So all "gammas" are married? Seems strange.
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  9. I like this post - I tend to find it tedious to put men into either on or the other category - I think that the traits of Alpha and Beta can be similar in a lot of ways. You can have a physical Alpha who is a Beta inside.

    But I mostly liked this post because you mentioned Jean Luc-Picard, who has GOT to be the sexiest Starship Captain that the Enterprise, nay the FEDERATION, has EVER. KNOWN.
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  10. Athol,

    This is where you lost me. You're not using the terms "Alpha", "Beta" and "Omega" the way ethologists do.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_%28ethology%29

    By extension, you're not using it the way Gamers do either.

    That makes it hard to have a sensible conversation. It means talking at cross-purposes.
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  11. I'm not talking at cross purposes Workshy Joe. I'm simply ploughing my own frame until everyone agrees with me. It's working really well :-)

    More seriously, I've been advancing a critically different approach than Roissy et al and returned in part to the comfort building routines of The Mystery Method.

    I don't see Alpha and Beta as rankings, but a set of behaviors that align with a hormonal response. It's brilliantly effective as an approach and that's all I care about.

    To be honest I came from the computer gaming use of Alpha and Beta. The Alpha is bareful functional and the Beta is buggy but playable.

    It's all in the first part of the book. I see you're in the UK. Will have pleasant announcemnt for the international readers a little later.
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  12. I love this post. Also you could use the other members of the federation as examples. Kirk/Riker: Too Alpha not enough Beta. Spock/Data: Too Beta not enough Alpha.
    Barclay/Scotty: Omega
    Not sure about Cisco and Janeway.
    But I totally agree Picard is a total Gamma man, he was so cool that he didn't even need to get laid regularly for you to buy his sexiness...that is a feat!


    "Also in doing my research I adopted the gamma defintion of the literary community - most particularly that of the romance novel genre. I believe their insight to be valuable in what appeals to female sexuality. Billions and billions served I believe is their claim to power ;-)"

    I did an analysis on Twilight if you need help with that, I think Smeyer designed Edward as an Omega man but also she used a lot of the ideas about how male and female work in mate selection/sexual economics. Let me know if you want to read more about it.

    S.R.
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  13. Sorry Janeway is a woman, she doesn't bellong to this list.
    But talking about women do you have a simmilar exampled of a Gamma Female?
    S.R.
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  14. Sorry again Edward is a Gamma Male...gah stupid fingers!
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  15. Athol, might I suggest another greek letter instead of "gamma", as the term seems to be in use by others? After all, there are 20+ other greek letters out there.

    @Anonymous, I think that very few married men fit the gamma mold. Most married men are betas.

    The only real way to tell a gamma apart from an alpha or a beta is to look for a guy...
    1) with an attractive & slender significant other
    2) who still actively marks her man
    3) even after being in a multi-year monogamous relationship.

    Points 1-2 are alpha traits, while point 3 is the tell tale sign of a beta.
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  16. Hsu - "Gamma Male" is the term used by romance writers for a character combining Alpha and Beta Traits for quite some time, hence my use of it.

    The manosphere writers are all very late to the Greek Letter party.
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  17. I have recently stumbled upon your blog after receiving something close to the "I love you, but I am not in love with you." It came in the form "I don't feel connected to you anymore. We're not clicking like we used to." Thanks for the advice I have seen so far. I realize I have gone too far to the extreme of Beta, and I understand that my wife has lost what she felt for me. However, I have been trying to work on it and overcome many years of teaching myself Beta traits. I think I recently had laughable first attempts at assertiveness, but still have a ways to go before she'll love me again. Aside from watching Chuck Norris movies, can you point me to some good ways to learn more Alpha characteristics (perhaps I just haven't explored your other posts enough)? Any help would be appreciated!
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